Thanks again for writing about this knife and taking the time to research it and share your findings. Your email address will not be published. 5679 L36: WW II Army Air Corps knife. Beyond that I do not know if they were swapped out. Example would be you have crashed landed and might be on your side up in the air. I assume was the same for my brethren in the fixed wing as well. It looks exactly like the type of knife I pull up in a Google search. This knife was popular during the second world war and I will assume that so are the people who knew a lot about it. Furthermore, standardization of equipment reduces costs upon the logistical system. Speechless Q31: An almost twin to item number two above but this one Later, when we received individual survival and flotation gear, the knife scabbard was sometimes sewn into the pocket where a .38 special was stored during Vietnam days on the survival vest. Above that it simply says "Army Air Forces". These sheaths are in a very different style from the Need help identifying camillus knife Riley12 Apr 16, 2014 Riley12 Guide Joined Jun 27, 2013 Messages 1,053 Likes 263 Location Florida Apr 16, 2014 #1 I bought this knife today, and was told it's a naval survival knife, because of the blue in the bottom, but it doesn't look like the naval survival knives. As a further development on the Air Force Survival Knife, the Ontario Knife Company offers a second-generation civilian version of the knife in its Special Purpose SP series of knives. I appreciate you writing this post and the rest of the site is very good. The genesis of the Air Force Survival Knife goes back to the 1950s at the dawn of the jet age. knife that was adopted. Thanks! The one on the right pommel nut and screw are brass. It doesn't get much better then this one. 5683 L75: The Camillus Mark 1 prototype reference piece. The journey of this iconic knife has been exciting to discover. As a flight equipment Marine. To recuperate some of the money that they had spent producing blades and knife components, Marble offered a civilian version of the knife to the public in 1961. The shady ones might lie about the real timeline of your knife so that they can under-price it and steal it from you. Even if the Ontario Knife Company discontinues their production and the DoD phases them out of their inventories, the knife will be around for commercial purchase. Among the "bright" finished knives you will find a variance. hunting knife. Do you have any information on this kind of knife ever being produced? This initial fabrication met the basic outlined requirements what the Navy wanted, with the approval of the drawing, we then begin to see the application of the applied property marks which are simply USN on the ricasso. Some Comments on the Design Features of the Air Force Survival Knife, Further Developments of the Air Force Survival Knife. the Camillus designs submitted for testing. Do you think your Camillus is older than your friends, but neither is sure? Made after march 1985 to 2006. M4 Bayonet Production Aerial Cutlery Company: 91,898 Camillus Cutlery Company: 332,698 W.R. Case & Sons Cutlery Co.: 224,764 Imperial Knife Company: 917,894 Kinfolks, Inc: 119,702 Pal Blade Company: 268,000 Utica Cutlery Company: 515,000 Thanks! Leather washers handle with a heavy round pommel and slightly curved guard; all parts are perfectly tight with no play. The Camillus S1765P USAF Utility Knife Tobias Gibson 7.5K views 2 years ago Rusty US Pilot Knife 1960's Restoration Lost & Restored 1.2M views 1 year ago Five US Military Pocket Knives from. I attach a photo of the peened pommel that makes this 6" a 1960 model: Hi. Camillus Proptotype with 5 inches blade which was not accepted. Did your Camillus knife go to the war? What is the white dot on the handle? The The condition of the knife is worn, but otherwise good. The bit telltale difference is the sharpened false If the Marines had a Para knife So Ive read that one way to tell a WW2 Kabar is the pommel will be pinned from both sides as well as peened. Maybe you can help me out here. Examine your knife pocket identifying mark on one of the blades. If you would like, I could send you a photo of this knife. The WW II era knife has a long sweeping false edge while the current J63: Army Parachutist Knife. The similarities to Mark I knives are obvious, but they were procured and manufactured under different contracts and specifications. Now, contractors didn't just immediately stop what they were doing and make the transition, they continued with the existing product before the transition. 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They are the same size which is the size of a Mark I or Jet Fighter Pilot Knife. More formal details weren't adopted until the close of 1943, this leaves at least 6 months of production and ordering of materials from contractors. I have sent you an email to see how I may be able to help. US MILITARIA FORUM - COLLECTORS PRESERVING HISTORY Model number 5686. I'm just not in possession of good references to documentation that would support my opinion yet. This guide to dating Camillus knives is focused on the Camillus-stamped knives only. steel dome pins. We were allowed to keep them when dicharged. Keep up the great work. Is it a genuine vintage or merely a reproduction? That doesn't make it right, it just makes it how they were found from poor Western made two: one with a 6-inch blade, the G46-6, and one with a 5-inch blade, the G46-5. But there are clever reproductions that can fool you into thinking its the real thing. It was enlightening to discover that there is very little information available on the background and origins of this knife. Some had been made before the time, and they dont have the exact specs as above. contracts. The tang stamp shown here is known as Camillus' four line stamp. In 1957, the Marble-Arms Corporation submitted to the U.S. government a design based on their Ideal Hunting Knife design. It is assumed that such information resides in the archives of the companies that have manufactured the knife as well as the files of the DoD. Camillus Cuda Bolt Spring Assisted Knife Gray (3.625" Black) CM19080 MSRP: $50.99 Our Price: $43.95 Add to Cart Camillus Erupt Spring Assisted Knife Black GRN (2.5" Black) Our Price: $33.95 Add to Cart Camillus HEAT Spring Assisted Knife Black GFN (3.5" Black) CM19167 Our Price: $55.95 Add to Cart scabbard marked with the Eagle, Globe and Anchor is a current reproduction These bayonets are very similar to the originals so you need to check I became curious about the background and history of this knife about a year ago. blade and solid spun rivets for the military. He believes these were ordered in 04/05/44. Its total length is 292mm (11 5/8 inches). I own one as a backup knife for my backpacking, outdoor, and emergency needs. This knife has been around for many years. down, risers and lines. And, just above Japan is stamped Sportsword, perhaps the manufacturer of this copy? The blade design is different then the I dont believe they were pinned in that era. Before you can regard them as a collectors item, though, you need to know that you are working with the, Read More How to Tell How Old a Barlow Knife Is by Yourself (Charts, Stamps, and More)Continue, I have written different guides on how to date different knives to a specific era but this one is different. About as plain as you can get, this is a prototype paring Most knives I seen are marked 10998 or some other number not marked on my blade. Im not a fan of social media and dont use it. The new design that was adopted was the 6 inch JPK. forces were gone by 1973. It appears that in 2006, Ontario Knife Company became the current vendor to the DoD of the Jet Pilot Survival Knife under the National Stock Number (NSN): 7340-00-098-4327. Thank you. Since Camillus is highlighted here, the bright blades were the initial production knives. This happens quite often. Adolph Kastor immigrated to the U.S.A. when he was 14 and worked in his uncles hardware company. I have never seen that variation. USMC next to the current repro which graphically shows the difference. Both have black plastic pommel. Camillus 5 inches Jet Pilot's Survival knife on top of Camillus 6 inches Jet Pilot's Survival knife 1971 marked Camillus 5 inches Jet Pilot Survival knife complete with scabbard. selected. You have a very scarce Camillus MARK 1. Any information you could provide would be greatly appreciated. If you happen to have, Read More How to Date A Case Kodiak Knife by Yourself (Expert Advice)Continue, Klein knives are clear vintages, and theyre one of those knives that went to the war. spacer arrangements. Any This knife looks a lot In the guides to dating Schrade knives, dating kissing crane knives, and knowing what era your ka-bar knife is from, there were a lot of years to deal with. The first Ka-bar knife was manufactured by the Tidioute Cutlery Company (in Pennsylvania) which came into play in 1897. Enjoy! 5684 L77A: Camillus tried to talk Naval Ordnance into using These knives should be professionally serviced by a However, it was particularly designed for use by forces in need of a close combat knife, such as Airborne Units and Army Rangers, so these units received priority for the M3 at the start of . Suggestions, Questions, Comments, Concerns, Alerts, Etc Member Store Tips, Tricks & Instructions, Camillus Pilot Survival Knives [long or short], Re: Camillus Pilot Survival Knives [long or short]. Otherwise, the serial number might not be able to do so much for you. Its width is 21.8mm (21.8mm) and thickness is 4.5mm (4.5mm). The original design of this 5" blade is, I believe, a pre-war Marbles design which was known as the "Ideal", a #45. The knife was originally designed in 1957 as a joint issue between the Navy Weapons Bureau and the Marbles Arms Company. Another unmarked Prototype hunter with stagged Rosewoods Major Hykr is my blog site to chronicle my hiking and backpacking experiences. Here is an example what I'm talking about, this is the grouping of Mark 1 knives with the designation of MARK 1 on the ricasso and treated blades. The serrated spine was designed to cut through the aluminum skin surrounding the airframes of Korean and Vietnam War-era aircraft. Buying via the links on CutsandCarves could earn us a commission on the sale. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. We inspected them and put them into survival gear for CH-46, CH-53,and cobras. See Picture for identification. We have over 75,000 pieces of Boy and Girl Scout Memorabilia to sell. That, however, only makes getting the exact era that these fine knives came from a more interesting affair. Both are Camillus but one has a 1" longer blade. If you happen to have, Read More How to Date A Case Kodiak Knife by Yourself (Expert Advice)Continue, If you have spent some time here before, then we have dated some pretty amazing knives together. The genesis of the Air Force Survival Knife goes back to the 1950s at the dawn of the jet age. Nickel silver guards made in 1948. St Louis with Indian Trail grooved bone and large rivets. Finally, the knives I had would not hold a decent edge but may have had a sufficient edge in a land survival situation. with the government to sell the design and know how to make the knife. If you are interested in the Camillus M4 In most of the places that Ive come across a Klein knife, it was either a military electricians knife or for another handyman. Our fellow member Frank Trzaska wrote about these knives most recently, I think, in his February 2014 article in Knife World entitled "The USAAC 5" Hunting Knife". Some of the knives have no branch of service marking on them. US Military utility multi tool knife, no lanyard. oldjunkagain. You ought to take part in a contest for one of the best sites on the net. All of these make the recipe for a truly great knife that deserves our attention. has the Mark 2 pommel not the M3 version. and special units so many time we almost gave up the argument on the subject. is the only one that survived the Marines. The sheath welt shall be 3/8-inch-thick and 2 inches in length. Both have leather grips. There were a few more hand changes of the business over the years but by then, we had entered the modern era of the knives. The Camillus Cutlery company closed shop in 2007, only to be resurrected in 2009 by Acme United Corporation, which acquired the naming rights. After the war, Camillus soon shifted back to civilian cutlery, but they were now facing stiff competition from overseas companies. Thank you, this is a very informative treatise on this knife. The Leather washers may have been replaced with the black ones. We can go down the list for all the contractors. The knives will be sold as a group only. That sold this great knife with blade, hilt and butt blued. I havent had the opportunity to measure it as its not in my possession and never was, I simply saw it. that when Camillus got the bid for the Jet Pilot Knife Marbles made a deal It was made from a spring off a model T. The sheath was made from a leather belt off a steam tractor. Im pretty sure the 80 doesnt mean 1980 since Ive possessed it at least a couple years prior. Camillus Kabar Knife History. Engineers. Just found my dads Camillus NY made knife and wanted your opinion about whether to send it to Ontario or whoever for refurbishment or just leave it the way it is. business. The handle was cut from the same belt using a sharpened piece of steel tubing to make washers then tightened down with a nut off an old tractor head. That way, you have a more realistic approach to what you can expect and you dont beat yourself up if its looking harder than usual to pin a date on that fine, historic knife. I got my first one from an electricians mate on the CG Cutter I was serving aboard back in the 70s. Shameful right after the factory closes what comes out. Ka-Bar knife with markings Step 1: Identifying the Markings Look around the knife for markings on the body. They were also overridden by poor management decisions, culminating in a six-month workers strike in 2007. It is currently still in inventory with the DoD through the GSA. Many GIs bought these knives and carried them during the war in Vietnam, including my father, who bought on in the exchange in Takhli, Thailand, and wore it during missions over North Vietnam. This is what Camillus was thinking about at the end of the war, Dealers and retailers of the knife usually let older catalogs rot, lost them, or simply misplaced them when a new batch of Ka-bar knives came in. touched them in anyway, as you see them is how they were in the showroom. Unbelievable piece. by coffeecup Sun May 26, 2013 9:03 am, Post I may also be able to confirm if the knife was a gift from my uncle who worked on helicopter camera equipment in the Vietnam war. Seems vagrant has an orange handled knife with a small blade protruding from it on picture #79. The leather for the grip will be cut into washers, 1/8 inch in thickness. I had suspected that was the case but did not have any evidence. No matter the reason for wanting to date that blade, these methods will get you an accurate year or an era, at worst. As such, finding a definitive history of the development and procurement of this knife is difficult to reconstruct. These rubber-gripped bayonets are thought to have come from Asia, possibly from South Korea. Many people think this was when Adolph founded the Camillus knife company, but that is not so. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I have had this since about 1978 and Im sure the knife itself is a few years older than that. Moreover, the requirement for having a standard survival knife for pilots and aircrews across the DoD was due to economic considerations and budgeting constraints at the time which fostered standardization across the military services. Both have black plastic pommel. Another possibility, is that a previous owner modified the knife after it was issued or purchased. Thus, this knife became obsolete for its original intended use when the majority of military aircraft incorporated composite materials. Finally Ive found something which helped me. Bone stag and CR guard made in One Side of the blade should have the Camillus Knife brand and the identification should have the blade number. Camillus used different sized stamps on their MK1s, believe there were 3 distinct sizes. It may add to your history file. Theyre not like the other vintage war knives Ive dated because theyre not fighting knives. Paranitrophenol was first registered in the United States in 1963 as a fungicide incorporated into leather products and hides as a preservative. It is the SP 2, Survival Knife. The tang stamp on this knife is post Government contract era. However, because of Marbles premature manufacturing of the knife before it was awarded a government contract, the rest of the world gained the privilege to own this knife. The one on the left is a 1972 and the one on the right has no date. 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