Its a sharp designed pistol with a great price . And a PPK has the solid feel of pure quality. For instance, I have owned 4 lcps and the pico will run circles around them. A bunch. Kahr P380 is the definitive pocket gun. They are all solid, dependable, and reliable. Take down the Pico. That gun, the TCP, gets pretty good marks everywhere Ive seen it reviewed, so I wouldnt expect it to show up on a pocket guns to avoid list. Modular design, one of the easiest take downs in the history of guns, fantastic sights, easy to put on night sights without going to a Gun Smith. The price is right, but the performance and ratings just arent. There are many more maligned pocket guns and sub-compacts on the market than these two. It covers the trigger guard of the pistol and has a hook and sticky material to stay secure in your pocket so it is easy to draw the pistol from your pocket without bringing the holster with it. I tried to get Gunsgunsguns.net to pop up-no dice in 5 or 6 tries. Designed to be smaller and more compact than the Nambu 14 for use by armored vehicle crewmen and pilots, the pistol had design Just keep shooting your pistol. Theyve reportedly improved it in newer model LCPs. Those small NAA revolvers you have to learn how to safely load and unload. Really disappointed in how this was presented. TTAG has some of the worst reviewers in history. The stats of the survey may need to be expanded on as well but for the most part would not own any of the others either, just my opinion. The Pico is one of the most mild shooting pocket guns you will ever shoot. Never had a malfunction, easy to shoot, accurate, and good looking whats not to like? Web.380 Automatic Colt Pistol (ACP) was one of the many calibers created by legendary firearms designer John Browning, dating back to 1908. Each of these guns has a lightweight, compact design making them ideal for concealed carry. Ruger listened to the criticism, which resulted in the birth of the LCP II. If there is what looks like an empty hole its uncocked. The gun works. Must be the best gun ever. He may want to trade the SCCY with the safety in for one of the newer ones without a safety. And of course, they criticize all the brands that dont advertise with them. Ive heard too many bad comments and complaints about the I.O. It is my favorite except the 15 ounce weight makes it have more recoil than a typical 9mm. The gun design has never worked well . Like a great car or movie, a great firearm can become a true classic. I like the concept at least. Forget about dropping the mag with the shooting hand, cause it aint happening. Oh shit! My advice. The trigger pull on the LCP II most closely resembles the trigger on larger striker fired polymer pistols such as the Glock. Sig without question is the "Caddilac". There is nothing copyrightable in those designs. Its not that the gun is too small, its that the trigger is much too close to the tiny grip. That right there should have indicated that something was up when they feature it at a SHOT SHOW and it takes 2 years to finally put it out for sale. What really won me over was the quality and operation, even on the bargain CM. Ruger markets the trigger as having a six pound pull. I have a brand new Cobra that has never fired a shot ! 3) SCCY Industries CPX-2(4.3 stars 0.4, 99 votes). Glad I didnt see mine. I also feel the cw380 has very minimal recoil vs other small 380s in its same size. In this review, we will cover the disadvantages of the .380 pistol that the LCP II sought to remedy, what makes the LCP II an improvement over the original LCP, and the uses for and specifications of the LCP II. Trash. Jed Henson runs the handgun review and rating site gunsgunsguns.net. If you are going to run a wisdom of crowds review site I think you really ought to take a note from them, because we ALL know the crowd can also be incredibly stupid, especially when hiding behind the anonymity of a keyboard. I like mine. Its a joy to shoot. Lol, it is more than obvious that John Hope does not have a clue about the Beretta Pico. Worst Guns Ever Nambu: The Nambu is one of the worst pistols ever designed. But thats just me Not everyone places as much weight on user ratings as I do. I cant count on my DB380 to run consistently, so I had to give it a low rating. The sccy is very similar. Worst complaint is the trigger, but a lot of dry fires with snap caps and you condition yourself to the long reset. How so? He talks about having to yank the Mag. None. Mild. Stainless steel through out the gun. I have literally spoken to no one that has said anything positive about the Pico. This is like the buzzfeed of gun articles. until you find a way to weed out braindead haters who vote based on their idiotic and unedumacated feelings all of your results will be skewed by gun store rednecks who dont know what the word ballistic even means. .380 Automatic Colt Pistol (ACP) This ammunition round was first introduced by Colt back in 1908, to use in its new Colt Model 1908, which was a compact, hammerless semi-automatic pistol. And I especially enjoy its clever name. I went through 4 LCP. How anyone can actually report that a gun that has the build quality of the Pico is one of the worst is beyond me. Shoots fine, never a problem, kills my hand. Sold it and picked up an LCP off a friend for $150. http://www.waltherarms.com/wp-content/uploads/ppk-left.jpg. We buy a pocket gun for last-ditch self defense, which literally makes it a do-or-die gun. Seriously, it works if you have a fresh pair of springs in it. My Gosh folks, this is total BS, read the directions. Really it sounds like some pretty crappy customer service. You should consider using a Bayesian average for this situation. I dont know the story behind why but we can only guess. I have two of the Picos. Or do you just sit around Mommies basement pretending to be a gun commando? Have you put more than a box through it? We both agreed, the TCP trigger was superior to the LCP. It pains me to include the DB380 on this list because I bought one acouple years ago. A 9mm shouldnt be slower than a .45. (Though they have better triggers than the early LCPs, thats not enough), You should try mine. The reason the trigger pull is lighter is because it is a SA trigger versus the DA trigger on the original LCP. Those were the worst. SCCY CPX-2 is a very good gun. And than some. Why Beretta didnt copy the ergonomics on that is a mystery to me. the fact you just dont like it? .380 pocket pistols are incredibly easy to conceal, and this is what is largely attributed to their long time popularity in the United States. Their Reviewers have alot of feed issues due to lack of knowledge of proper grip. I love my CPX-1. Id trust actual reviewers over internet voters. Most of the post are from newbies that know very little about guns in the first place. Heck, the CM40s steel-framed brother, the MK40, is currently ranked in the top 5 (granted, with only 10 votes so far). Or had a bad exp. . You have to use the recommened ammo in the manual. Great little pistol. This is the J-Frame for the masses. Double strike capability, Magazines all stainless that look like custom 1911 mags. But that is just learning curve and a trade off when they removed the problematic safety from the earlier models. Then I go to the LGS and shoot the guns myself, having sorted down to a handful that might meet my needs. http://www.waltherarms.com/wp-content/uploads/ppk-right.jpg Sure just Kahr CW 380. The SCCY is even rated for +P ammo, in modest doses, according to the company. No aluminum. Its elegant lines and precision engineering have a timeless appeal. Also cobra has a lifetime warranty on their guns if you do the warranty. Therefore, if you want the slide to lock back, you need to use the magazines that were made specifically for the LCP II. You do that and you will find hipoints and cobras to work as they are intended. I laughed when I got to the CM40. In regards to the Cobra a lot of people dissing the gun are those who fire hollowpoints through it. 6) IO Hellcat II (2.9 stars 0.6, 32 votes). I also Have the Kahr CW380 nice guy but finicky on ammo. My PT 22 is surprisingly reliable. Ive never seen one that ran well or was anything but unpleasant to shoot, provided you can get more than one round off without a misfeed. Safe, small, and gives me some measure of security I wouldnt have without it. Im a Glock 27 guy, so I dont mind recoil. Mostly new firearm buyers that buy into all the advertising and ridiculous internet junk. I used to have one. Their guns get copied because George Kelgren never copyrighted the designs. It works great if all it does is sit in your pocket. Broke the ejector. It is designed as a personal defense arm not a target pistol or a plunker. They pretty much invented the theory of if you get a good one its good, but when you get a bad one its bad. No problems when used within its limits. And surely have not shot one or very little. Ruger LCP Max 2. Thats along what I was thinking. I think it would have to be the 2mm Kolibri. Its the worlds smallest handgun, and develops just 4 joules of muzzle energy. Its not a joke weapon These are last resort concealment guns with a lot of punch in a small package. I would love to meet you and show you what your are NOT talking about. For College Campuses! The Beretta APX has a 4.4 rating from 22 votes It sucks so hard that its suckage transcends space and time. He paid people to review his book on Amazon. Think he went through that with customer service Ill give ya the mag though. Considering the price point of the SCCY, its fit, finish and functionality is excellent. Most often the issue is people dry firing, or using hollowpoints. Suprised about the Kahr, Beretta, and Diamondback. Both shoot about the same as far as low recoil. A 380 is about as wide as a 9mm. However it is about 1/2 as powerful, 1/2 the weight and velocity. For a very long time 9mm was considered the rock All I know is my 1st CPX-2 had to be sent in for service 30 minutes after I got it home. You want an example of why internet polls are not representative? Hellcat 380. And with gloves on, even the skin tight shooting gloves, it was impossible to get the trigger to reset without removing my finger from the trigger guard completely, or using my support hand to manually push it forward far enough to reset. The cobra looks very similar to a firearm my mother owns. A recoil spring system that not only sucks, but lends the thing to have constant and regular jams and FTF and FTEs. I own a SCCY CPX-2. Im curious as to how you derived your +/- error bars and why you are calling 25-50 votes statistically significant. Those are awfully small sample sizes compared to the number of guns of each make/model in production. Wrong about sccy. Anyway, all just my opinion here. Did you give them Cyrillic numbers to rate with? While the LCP II will accept the same 6 round magazines as the original LCP, it also will not slide lock on the last round with those magazines because they were not designed to do so. Hence why Hipoints explode when high pressure rounds are put in them or dont feed reliably when hollowpoints are used. Ive put plenty of rounds through my p3at and its reliable. The trigger guard on the LCP has also been enlarged in order to accommodate a gloved finger without risking pulling the trigger. I have 2 of them. I must be the unicorn master then, because I own each of the firearms listed, except the Hellcat, (I have never heard of it before this article) and have never had an issue with any of them. Cobra lasted 10 minutes in my house. The very concealable gun has a barrel length of only 2.5 inches. Wanted to check to see if my comments really apply to your site, and it looks like your server is in melt-down. Never jammed on me or on my daughter who went to the range with me. I alone will take up the Masterpiece banner, carry it aloft, plant it on the nearest peak and proclaim, Get thee 6 extra recoil springs and thou shalt have a decent pistol for a year or more, even.. Note that I said voted and not have ever even touched the gun at a pawn shop, let alone fired it.. It is not a pleasant gun to shoot, but a helluva lot worse on the receiving end. Pick up a Taurus 738 tcp and it is super snappy vs the cw380. I some what question these results mainly because I own one of the guns on this list. My shooting buddy has an LCP. Actually bought a second one. Extremely Mild, Plus P rated, Modular design, mags that look like Custom 1911 stainless steel. Certainly it should appear on the Wikipedia page. You can read about well known problems on reddit, Amazon, etc, for ranknings and customer ratings abuse. How many times are there accidental discharges from soft triggers? Bought it brand new. 400 hundred rounds of various FMJ and hollow points without a single failure. If you actually carry a gun in your pocket, even in a pocket holster, its gonna get dirty. Literally, it is.) Springfield operator: 5.2 How is this journalisim? Still cant find that silent u in it to make it sky. . The .380 pistol which has the least recoil? Above, a Ruger, below a Browning 1911380 Without even looking at their spec sheets, we can guess that I have a SCCY too. Its very much a personal decision then, based on fit, function, and how well it shoots. For its purpose, NOT Bullseye competition, it is a fine gun. The original Ruger LCP has been perhaps the most well-known and popular .380 pocket pistol since it was first introduced in 2008. Have you ever even shot one? SuccySuckeySuckySucySukyNope. The list is pretty laughable, though, because drawing conclusions from such a tiny sample of unvetted ratings is deeply, deeply flawed. I have received grief for it as well. And of course not break down like they do with high volume shooting. To send it back would cost to much and the internet dealer would not stand behind it !! It is my bicycle gun. I will run the Pico side by side the Kahr any day and have. Im pretty surprised the P3AT isnt on this list. It jammed after the first shot, but he hit the intruder in the chest. But the reset on the trigger was so ridiculously long Id often miss follow up shots because I handt let it out far enough to reset. They sent me a replacement gun that wouldnt chamber the 1st round. Also, I dont consider the CPX-2 to be a pocket pistol, nor should it be compared to some of the little single stack fluff-pieces the articles author referenced. Or the Kahr in there? Anonymous reviews should be taken VERY suspiciouslyof all product, not just guns. So there. Far too many people have shot themselves or objects in their house loading a NAA revolver because they didnt pay attention to safety instructions. Maybe if there was an () in theremaybe that might work like Tpanga or Gnai or some such name. Prohibition: Why It Wouldnt Work Any Better With Guns Than It Did With Alcohol, Defendant Agrees Appeals Court Should Uphold Injunction Blocking New Yorks Law Banning Carrying Guns in Sensitive Places, Judge Robert L. Miller: Its an Insult to the Founders to Assume They Didnt Expect Gun Control in Future Generations. Super long heavy pull, which is understandable on a DA only no safety gun. The CM40 being smaller and lighter might exhibit a little more, but its not unmanageable. With pocket pistols you get so much more in terms of everything for every little uptick in size you go. Theres room for disagreement, but probably only because some peoples pockets are bigger and can hold bigger guns. Sleek design, totally snag proof. You mean like the crowd of voters that put Obama in office twice. The first generation CPX-1s had some problems and gave the company a bad rep starting out, but the company was so adamant that they fixed their second Gen guns that you can send any of the old ones back (they shipped in red boxes) and they will replace them with brand new Gen 2s (which ship in blackish gray boxes). Its manageable. Mine works, has worked, continues to work, and has never not gone bang. I fire a couple of magazines a month thru them so as not to get too rusty . Got over 1000 rounds through it, and no problems. I had issues with mine to start. I think you would be hard pressed to find any thing this good for that price. Glock 42 4. And I dont know why Keltec lets Ruger & SCCY(and the defunct hellcat) slavishly copy their designs. Because they just have a vendetta against these manufacturers? No problems with it at all. Both have been dependable and will function without a flaw on anything I have tried. The Sccy gets a 4.3 rating and it stinks? Zero malfunctions in 300 rounds including pocket lint coverings. I appreciate the review. It makes my SR40C feel like a 9mm. You fire as soon as you pull and have aimed. Does this guy have any gun expertise? By the way John, I have the Kahr, yes nice gun.Shoots well. Anyone have the Bersa .380. Com-block mack chambered pistols, walthers, and the like just have better reliability w/ less break in. Expand your opinion to something legitimate and/or constructive with first hand knowledge. I liked the gun otherwise, but the awful trigger was a total deal breaker for me. Ill definitely be checking it out. . I shoot a lot of pocket guns. I would even venture to say its a 50/50 gamble when buying a Kel Tec. So, pocket guns being inherently hard to shoot and prone to limp wristing will experience failures. BATTLE OF THE RUGER .380S: LCP VS. LCP II. I have SCCY CPX2 Best gun ever Just keep it clean 400 rounds down range 400 rounds on target Ill bet my life on my cpx2. 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